Guttatus anthias?

Chibils · 06/02/2008, 09:38 PM

At the lfs today, they were acclimating a trio of the most stunning anthias I've ever seen. None of the lfs employees could tell me what kind they were, and the invoice didn't even have a common name listed. They were $80 each (not too bad for my lfs, dispars are $50 hutchi are $80 and purple queens are $80) and the scientific name was given to me as a "guttatus" anthias. "Pseudanthias guttatus" and "Luzonichthys guttatus" turned up nothing; an intensive search of fishbase (family Serrinidae's 449 species) turned up nothing with the name "guttatus" relating to anthias, nor anything that looked like it. The clsosest I found was Pseudanthias lori, but the colors were much more intense than a P. lori.

P. lori, courtesy of fishbase.org.

Actually, after typing all this up, I found what it is. Pseudanthias flavoguttatus.

What do you guys know about them? CarlC? Peter?

SDguy · 06/02/2008, 09:48 PM

Wow, lucky you! Never seen them. Only seen one pic of them in an aquarium, on WWM (incorrectly ID'ed as photoshopped P. lori).

Chibils · 06/02/2008, 10:03 PM

I know! I would've snatched them immediately except that I'm going out of town tomorrow and refuse to put my tank-sitter through QT+deworming...

Do you know anything about their care?

zemuron114 · 06/02/2008, 11:21 PM

P. lori can have some beautiful coloring much like the second picture you posted. it could be Lori.

adtravels · 06/03/2008, 12:40 AM

agreed especially under a pinky/red fluorecent tube

SDguy · 06/03/2008, 06:45 AM

Well, they're pretty easy to distinguish....just count the red bars

Chibils · 06/03/2008, 10:03 AM

It was flavoguttatus. I recognize the yellow head, and the pics I got on my cell phone have five red stripes (six on the male), plus the white between the stripes shone white even under the actinic bulbs they had over the tank.

CarlC · 06/03/2008, 08:29 PM

Hard to say without a picture. The stripe extending onto the body is the key differance between the species.

Carl

just dave · 06/03/2008, 09:39 PM

The quickest way to tell them apart is if the bars/ saddles go to the base of the tail. They don't on P. lori.

SDguy · 10/13/2008, 01:56 PM

I saw some flavoguttatus at RAP this weekend. First time ever to see them in person. They really look VERY difefrent from P lori, especially even when small. Absolutely stunning fish! Apparently I was third in line to ask what would happen to them after the show

Darn it! I even dragged Kevin Kohen over to the booth to see them

I'll post some pics tonight....

myerst2 · 10/13/2008, 05:12 PM

If it is indeed Pseudanthias flavoguttatus, you are dealing with a temperate water fish found in deep water. They prefer water of around 72F. Problem with these fish is that they are extremely poor shippers and suffer from de-compression issues. Being that if it is that fish they come from Japan, the fish have had a long stressful journey. Most of these anthias don't make off the boat after collection, much less to a LFS in the US. If you do decide to get them, make sure they are eating and don't even think about keeping them in water above 75F. Good luck and very envious about your find. Hope to see some pics. Tim

SDguy · 10/13/2008, 05:58 PM

I did not get them, but here they are. No doubt on ID:

06/02/2008, 09:38 PM	#1
Chibils halide loyalist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sugar Hill, GA Posts: 2,213	Guttatus anthias? At the lfs today, they were acclimating a trio of the most stunning anthias I've ever seen. None of the lfs employees could tell me what kind they were, and the invoice didn't even have a common name listed. They were $80 each (not too bad for my lfs, dispars are $50 hutchi are $80 and purple queens are $80) and the scientific name was given to me as a "guttatus" anthias. "Pseudanthias guttatus" and "Luzonichthys guttatus" turned up nothing; an intensive search of fishbase (family Serrinidae's 449 species) turned up nothing with the name "guttatus" relating to anthias, nor anything that looked like it. The clsosest I found was Pseudanthias lori, but the colors were much more intense than a P. lori. P. lori, courtesy of fishbase.org. Actually, after typing all this up, I found what it is. Pseudanthias flavoguttatus. What do you guys know about them? CarlC? Peter? __________________ always learning Current Tank Info: 75G new world cichlid, 25G reef in planning

06/02/2008, 09:48 PM	#2
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Wow, lucky you! Never seen them. Only seen one pic of them in an aquarium, on WWM (incorrectly ID'ed as photoshopped P. lori). __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT. Last edited by SDguy; 06/02/2008 at 09:56 PM.

06/02/2008, 10:03 PM	#3
Chibils halide loyalist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sugar Hill, GA Posts: 2,213	I know! I would've snatched them immediately except that I'm going out of town tomorrow and refuse to put my tank-sitter through QT+deworming... Do you know anything about their care? __________________ always learning Current Tank Info: 75G new world cichlid, 25G reef in planning

06/03/2008, 12:40 AM	#5
adtravels you cant buy blue fingers Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,542	agreed especially under a pinky/red fluorecent tube __________________ False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness. Current Tank Info: 90 gallon 36x24x24 reef

06/03/2008, 06:45 AM	#6
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	Well, they're pretty easy to distinguish....just count the red bars __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

06/02/2008, 11:21 PM	#4
zemuron114 Moved On Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pilgrim State (Mass) Posts: 4,039	P. lori can have some beautiful coloring much like the second picture you posted. it could be Lori.

06/03/2008, 10:03 AM	#7
Chibils halide loyalist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sugar Hill, GA Posts: 2,213	It was flavoguttatus. I recognize the yellow head, and the pics I got on my cell phone have five red stripes (six on the male), plus the white between the stripes shone white even under the actinic bulbs they had over the tank. __________________ always learning Current Tank Info: 75G new world cichlid, 25G reef in planning

06/03/2008, 08:29 PM	#8
CarlC Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leesport, PA Posts: 1,099	Hard to say without a picture. The stripe extending onto the body is the key differance between the species. Carl

06/03/2008, 09:39 PM	#9
just dave 11th in '11 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cordova, TN Posts: 4,394	The quickest way to tell them apart is if the bars/ saddles go to the base of the tail. They don't on P. lori.

10/13/2008, 01:56 PM	#10
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	I saw some flavoguttatus at RAP this weekend. First time ever to see them in person. They really look VERY difefrent from P lori, especially even when small. Absolutely stunning fish! Apparently I was third in line to ask what would happen to them after the show Darn it! I even dragged Kevin Kohen over to the booth to see them I'll post some pics tonight.... __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

10/13/2008, 05:12 PM	#11
myerst2 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: East Hampton, Long Island Posts: 2,341	If it is indeed Pseudanthias flavoguttatus, you are dealing with a temperate water fish found in deep water. They prefer water of around 72F. Problem with these fish is that they are extremely poor shippers and suffer from de-compression issues. Being that if it is that fish they come from Japan, the fish have had a long stressful journey. Most of these anthias don't make off the boat after collection, much less to a LFS in the US. If you do decide to get them, make sure they are eating and don't even think about keeping them in water above 75F. Good luck and very envious about your find. Hope to see some pics. Tim __________________ "Those who teach must constantly hold up the challenge to study nature, not books." -Albrecht.

10/13/2008, 05:58 PM	#12
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	I did not get them, but here they are. No doubt on ID: __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.