Red based H.crispa?

maxxII · 08/14/2007, 10:41 AM

Stupid question folks cause I'm pretty sure I know the answer already.....but....

has anyone seen or heard of a red column (based) H.crispa?

I've got a small purple H.crispa in my tank already, with a gray base, and splotches of orange on the column. I just received what is alledgedly another purple H.crispa that looks an awful lot like an M.doreensis instead. It has the standard red base w/ prominent verrucae that I've seen on every other M.doreensis I've ever had. But it has an awful lot of tentacles for an LTA.

Its just finished acclimating and is in the tank right now, lights are out for right now, but I've been able to take some pics of the column and verrucae.....none of the oral disc.

And here it is as advertised on Dr's Foster & Smith website.

I'm willing to be money that its an LTA, (M.doreensis) I just want confirmation from others before I take issue with them.

Nick

JetCat USA · 08/14/2007, 10:55 AM

they come in a few different colors, the pic is of an H crispa, and a very healthy one to boot.

OrionN · 08/14/2007, 10:59 AM

The fist two pictures is that of M. doreensis for sure. It cannot be anything but M. doreensis, IMO.

maxxII · 08/14/2007, 11:09 AM

Thats pretty much my thoughts exactly Minh. Looking more closely at the pic from the website, it's kinda easy to see the tentacles curling up like M.doreensis will do.

I've spoken to them on the phone and sent them the same pics I posted here. They've been great in the past and I doubt very seriously that this wil be any different....

But I wouldnt have ordered it if I'd realized it was an M.doreensis.

I'll wait and see.

Nick

GSMguy · 08/14/2007, 11:15 AM

LTA

phender · 08/14/2007, 11:25 AM

Yeah, no doubt its M. doreensis. It does seem to be a very nice one though.
The good doctors are usually a little better at IDs than that.
I could certainly see how they could have made the mistake if they didn't put it up to look at the base.

marc price · 08/14/2007, 11:46 AM

That is m. doreensis , I can see a few dots of color on the verrucae in addition to the red/orange base. Do take issue with them.
Did you just order that from divers den this past friday? they had two, purple sebae's a 6" and 7"( item #081007262 7" Heteractis crispa $149.99)
I thought the color was either photo shopped or an effect of their 400w 20k halides. I questioned them was told to do it via e:mail. (diff. facilities) ,they were sold by the time i got my responses.
below are the e:mail(s) regarding the two purple sebaes:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: m p
> Sent: Aug 10, 2007 6:17:15 PM
> Subject: divers den livestock?

> Hi I'm interested the two purple tentacled sebae anemones on divers den. I'm illuminating my aquarium with three 6500K daylight ho 54watt t5's for their high par plus one actinic ho 54watt t5. I would like to know if the purple as seen in your photo's which appears to extend 1/2 way down each tentacle is more a color which is bought out by the lights you're using and camera settings? also would they still appear to have as much purple coloring in my tank under my lights?
>
> 081007262
> 7" Heteractis crispa $149.99
>
> 081007267
> 6" Heteractis crispa $149.99
>
>
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:19:03 -0700
> From: customerservice@liveaquaria.com
> To: m p
> Subject: RE: divers den livestock? (#8740-80017042-4094)
>
> Dear Valued Customer,
>
> Thank you for your email. All the specimen on our site are illuminated under 20,000K 400 Watt Metal Halide lighting. In order to get the same purple coloration that is shown on our site you will need to have 20,000K lighting for your aquarium. We also recommend having at least 4 watts of lighting per gallon of water in order to keep these specimens healthy in your aquarium.

> Sincerely,
>
> Technical Support
> Drs. Foster & Smith
>
>
> We hope that you find this information beneficial. We employ some of the best people in the industry and want to be your source for all of your aquatic needs.
> Drs. Foster & Smith
>
-----Original Message-----
From: m p
Sent: Aug 11, 2007 11:49:34 AM
Subject: RE: divers den livestock? (#8740-80017042-4094)

thanks for the prompt reply. watts/gallon is very unreliable too many other factors anyway i have enough par, & lux/lum output for a sebae , the tank also gets some direct sunlight, however i don't have the same level of intense point source lighting in the kelvin and cri as your H.I.D. (high intensity discharge), lighting system . are you saying that it will not appear to have as intense and deep of a purple but still remain purple long term or would the tentacles look brown with magenta dots at the tips ?

RE: divers den livestock? (#8740-80017042-4094)?
From: LiveAquaria (customerservice@liveaquaria.com)
Sent:Sat 8/11/07 3:47 PM
To: m p
Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for your email. The lighting will still give the anemone a purple appearance though the color may not be as bright as what is pictured on our site. In order to maintain the vibrant coloration we recommend the 20,000K lighting for this specimen.

If we can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to contact our Live Aquaria Department at 1-800-334-3699 or via email at customerservice@liveaquaria.com and we will be happy to answer any question(s) you may have.
Sincerely,

Technical Support
Drs. Foster & Smith

Big Brother · 08/14/2007, 11:53 AM

yeah i dont know how anyone could think thats a sebae, but it still looks real nice

shred5 · 08/14/2007, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Brother
yeah i dont know how anyone could think thats a sebae, but it still looks real nice

Agreed...

Dave

maxxII · 08/14/2007, 02:56 PM

Marc Price,
The short answer is Yes. I bought it on Friday, (08-10-07).
This is the 7 inch anemone.

It is a beautiful anemone, and was burying its foot in the substrate as I was leaving for work.

Sadly, its not what I ordered.

I'll keep everyone posted when I hear back from them.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Nick

maxxII · 08/15/2007, 11:09 AM

No word back from Dr's Foster & Smith yesterday, called them this morning and spoke with a very nice customer service rep. She advised me the manager had seen the photo's I sent and forwarded them to the "in house marine biologist". Once she heard back from the Biologist, she (the manager) would be contacting me. The service rep estimated either later on today or sometime tomorrow...
I was assured by the customer service rep that they would do everything they could to rectify the situation.

Nick

sarahkucera · 08/15/2007, 06:13 PM

That's definitely not an H Crispa.
The verucae on the H Crispa is more of a random placement and have no color in the center like this:

This is a shot of my monster. She's about 16-18 inches across.

55semireef · 08/15/2007, 06:18 PM

Beautiful LTA

maxxII · 08/15/2007, 07:35 PM

Got this message from Live Aquaria today at noon...didnt see til just now....

Quote:

Dear Nick,

We sincerely apologize as we have identified the anemone as a Macrodactyla
doreensis not a Heteractis crispa. The image online was correct, however,
the description was incorrect. Please let me know how I can rectify this
situation, I checked on the pricing of the item and that was also listed
correctly. I can certainly apply a credit that you would deem fair if you
would like. Again, I apologize and assure you this is a very rare mistake.

Thank you for your understanding and patience,

Jaimie A
Customer Service Manager
LiveAquaria

I told them I'd be happy with a credit. I hope posting this doesnt violate user agreement, but since I posted about the mistake, I felt the right thing to do was to post up their efforts to rectify the situation.

Nick

55semireef · 08/15/2007, 08:49 PM

Are you going to buy the LTA?

marc price · 08/15/2007, 10:03 PM

glad to hear it's been resolved and if it's any consolation, you're not the only one, they did post two of them.
the irony here for me is that since friday every time i looked at my sebae anemone i was upset about missing out on such a purple h. crispa. aside from the questionable deep blue/violet color i've never found a sebae for sale with tentacles that are almost all purple. your pictures clearly answered my question about the two of them.

08/14/2007, 10:41 AM	#1
maxxII Super Housemonkey! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 4,442	Red based H.crispa? Stupid question folks cause I'm pretty sure I know the answer already.....but.... has anyone seen or heard of a red column (based) H.crispa? I've got a small purple H.crispa in my tank already, with a gray base, and splotches of orange on the column. I just received what is alledgedly another purple H.crispa that looks an awful lot like an M.doreensis instead. It has the standard red base w/ prominent verrucae that I've seen on every other M.doreensis I've ever had. But it has an awful lot of tentacles for an LTA. Its just finished acclimating and is in the tank right now, lights are out for right now, but I've been able to take some pics of the column and verrucae.....none of the oral disc. And here it is as advertised on Dr's Foster & Smith website. I'm willing to be money that its an LTA, (M.doreensis) I just want confirmation from others before I take issue with them. Nick __________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun!"

08/14/2007, 10:59 AM	#3
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	The fist two pictures is that of M. doreensis for sure. It cannot be anything but M. doreensis, IMO. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

08/14/2007, 11:09 AM	#4
maxxII Super Housemonkey! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 4,442	Thats pretty much my thoughts exactly Minh. Looking more closely at the pic from the website, it's kinda easy to see the tentacles curling up like M.doreensis will do. I've spoken to them on the phone and sent them the same pics I posted here. They've been great in the past and I doubt very seriously that this wil be any different.... But I wouldnt have ordered it if I'd realized it was an M.doreensis. I'll wait and see. Nick __________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun!"

08/14/2007, 11:15 AM	#5
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	LTA __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

08/14/2007, 11:25 AM	#6
phender Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Posts: 4,561	Yeah, no doubt its M. doreensis. It does seem to be a very nice one though. The good doctors are usually a little better at IDs than that. I could certainly see how they could have made the mistake if they didn't put it up to look at the base. __________________ Phil Current Tank Info: 50 gal reef, used to have - 60 gal reef, 40 gal reef, 2-20 gal clownfish tanks which were also reefs.

08/14/2007, 10:55 AM	#2
JetCat USA Moved On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,847	they come in a few different colors, the pic is of an H crispa, and a very healthy one to boot.

08/14/2007, 11:46 AM	#7
marc price Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: "the birthplace of independence" Posts: 1,146	That is m. doreensis , I can see a few dots of color on the verrucae in addition to the red/orange base. Do take issue with them. Did you just order that from divers den this past friday? they had two, purple sebae's a 6" and 7"( item #081007262 7" Heteractis crispa $149.99) I thought the color was either photo shopped or an effect of their 400w 20k halides. I questioned them was told to do it via e:mail. (diff. facilities) ,they were sold by the time i got my responses. below are the e:mail(s) regarding the two purple sebaes: > -----Original Message----- > From: m p > Sent: Aug 10, 2007 6:17:15 PM > Subject: divers den livestock? > Hi I'm interested the two purple tentacled sebae anemones on divers den. I'm illuminating my aquarium with three 6500K daylight ho 54watt t5's for their high par plus one actinic ho 54watt t5. I would like to know if the purple as seen in your photo's which appears to extend 1/2 way down each tentacle is more a color which is bought out by the lights you're using and camera settings? also would they still appear to have as much purple coloring in my tank under my lights? > > 081007262 > 7" Heteractis crispa $149.99 > > 081007267 > 6" Heteractis crispa $149.99 > > > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:19:03 -0700 > From: customerservice@liveaquaria.com > To: m p > Subject: RE: divers den livestock? (#8740-80017042-4094) > > Dear Valued Customer, > > Thank you for your email. All the specimen on our site are illuminated under 20,000K 400 Watt Metal Halide lighting. In order to get the same purple coloration that is shown on our site you will need to have 20,000K lighting for your aquarium. We also recommend having at least 4 watts of lighting per gallon of water in order to keep these specimens healthy in your aquarium. > Sincerely, > > Technical Support > Drs. Foster & Smith > > > We hope that you find this information beneficial. We employ some of the best people in the industry and want to be your source for all of your aquatic needs. > Drs. Foster & Smith > -----Original Message----- From: m p Sent: Aug 11, 2007 11:49:34 AM Subject: RE: divers den livestock? (#8740-80017042-4094) thanks for the prompt reply. watts/gallon is very unreliable too many other factors anyway i have enough par, & lux/lum output for a sebae , the tank also gets some direct sunlight, however i don't have the same level of intense point source lighting in the kelvin and cri as your H.I.D. (high intensity discharge), lighting system . are you saying that it will not appear to have as intense and deep of a purple but still remain purple long term or would the tentacles look brown with magenta dots at the tips ? RE: divers den livestock? (#8740-80017042-4094)? From: LiveAquaria (customerservice@liveaquaria.com) Sent:Sat 8/11/07 3:47 PM To: m p Dear Valued Customer, Thank you for your email. The lighting will still give the anemone a purple appearance though the color may not be as bright as what is pictured on our site. In order to maintain the vibrant coloration we recommend the 20,000K lighting for this specimen. If we can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to contact our Live Aquaria Department at 1-800-334-3699 or via email at customerservice@liveaquaria.com and we will be happy to answer any question(s) you may have. Sincerely, Technical Support Drs. Foster & Smith

08/14/2007, 11:53 AM	#8
Big Brother Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Mesa Posts: 102	yeah i dont know how anyone could think thats a sebae, but it still looks real nice

08/14/2007, 02:56 PM	#10
maxxII Super Housemonkey! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 4,442	Marc Price, The short answer is Yes. I bought it on Friday, (08-10-07). This is the 7 inch anemone. It is a beautiful anemone, and was burying its foot in the substrate as I was leaving for work. Sadly, its not what I ordered. I'll keep everyone posted when I hear back from them. Thanks for the replies everyone. Nick __________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun!"

08/15/2007, 11:09 AM	#11
maxxII Super Housemonkey! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 4,442	No word back from Dr's Foster & Smith yesterday, called them this morning and spoke with a very nice customer service rep. She advised me the manager had seen the photo's I sent and forwarded them to the "in house marine biologist". Once she heard back from the Biologist, she (the manager) would be contacting me. The service rep estimated either later on today or sometime tomorrow... I was assured by the customer service rep that they would do everything they could to rectify the situation. Nick __________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun!"

08/15/2007, 06:13 PM	#12
sarahkucera Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wood Dale Posts: 603	That's definitely not an H Crispa. The verucae on the H Crispa is more of a random placement and have no color in the center like this: This is a shot of my monster. She's about 16-18 inches across.

08/15/2007, 06:18 PM	#13
55semireef Moved On Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 5,322	Beautiful LTA

08/15/2007, 08:49 PM	#15
55semireef Moved On Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 5,322	Are you going to buy the LTA?

08/15/2007, 10:03 PM	#16
marc price Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: "the birthplace of independence" Posts: 1,146	glad to hear it's been resolved and if it's any consolation, you're not the only one, they did post two of them. the irony here for me is that since friday every time i looked at my sebae anemone i was upset about missing out on such a purple h. crispa. aside from the questionable deep blue/violet color i've never found a sebae for sale with tentacles that are almost all purple. your pictures clearly answered my question about the two of them.