'Candy Basslet'- cool but PRICEY. Check it.

flamehawkfish · 06/04/2009, 10:43 AM

hi All

I've always considered getting a little 'Candy Basslet' for my reef tank, but never found one with bright enough colors.

I finally bumped into this one, but c'mon, $899? Are you serious?

That's too much for a pinner little fish- regardless of how rare it might be... My two cents.

Flamehawk

michael_cb_125 · 06/04/2009, 10:52 AM

That is a great price for that fish. Especially considering where it is coming from. Live Aquaria has with out a doubt the best customer service out there, and you would be getting a fish in prime condition. The director of LA (Kevin Kohen) will not send out a fish that is not as close to perfect as possible.

Plus you are probably getting this Atlantic fish confused with the much more common "pacific candy basslet".

michael_cb_125 · 06/04/2009, 10:56 AM

Liopropoma swalesi- A pacific basslet

Liopropoma rubre- An Atlantic Basslet

Liopropoma carmabi- An Atlantic Basslet

~Michael

michael_cb_125 · 06/04/2009, 11:00 AM

Liopropoma collettei- A Pacific basslet

Here is a great link on some of the Liopropomas

http://www.liveaquaria.com/PIC/article.cfm?aid=272

~Michael

flamehawkfish · 06/04/2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by michael_cb_125
That is a great price for that fish. Especially considering where it is coming from. Live Aquaria has with out a doubt the best customer service out there, and you would be getting a fish in prime condition. The director of LA (Kevin Kohen) will not send out a fish that is not as close to perfect as possible.

Plus you are probably getting this Atlantic fish confused with the much more common "pacific candy basslet".

I really like Liveaquaria, too. I've purchased a few corals from them, and they do have great service & awesome variety.

Yup; there are a few 'candy basslets' out there, and I guess this is my first encounter with the rare deep-water Atlantic variety.

It's beautiful, but that $899 pricetag puts it into the "would be cool to have, but forget about it" category. Maybe some collector w' deep pockets will buy it...

michael_cb_125 · 06/04/2009, 11:45 AM

I missed the pair that they had posted last night. It sold in a few minutes and I was not at home to get them. Otherwise they would be in Megan's tank Tomorrow.

This is one of my favorites.

~Michael

flameangel88 · 06/04/2009, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by michael_cb_125
I missed the pair that they had posted last night. It sold in a few minutes and I was not at home to get them. Otherwise they would be in Megan's tank Tomorrow.

This is one of my favorites.

~Michael

Hey michael,

I hope all is well. For that much I would rather see a 4" Conspic in your next Angel/Butterfly tank.

Kevin

jmaccvols · 06/04/2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by flamehawkfish
hi All

I've always considered getting a little 'Candy Basslet' for my reef tank, but never found one with bright enough colors.

I finally bumped into this one, but c'mon, $899? Are you serious?

That's too much for a pinner little fish- regardless of how rare it might be... My two cents.

Flamehawk

I wonder what the life-span is of this little basslet?

snorvich · 06/04/2009, 04:39 PM

Marine fish often live 15 years in our aquaria with proper care. Mine is gorgeous and eats very, very well. Originally somewhat cryptic, but now, no longer shy.

jmaccvols · 06/04/2009, 09:22 PM

Just looking at Scott Michael's "Basslets, Dottybacks & Hawkfishes" book at page 97 on the Liopropoma Carmabi and it says this fish has been reported to live at least two years in captivity. That comes to about $450 per year.

kenqc · 06/05/2009, 11:24 AM

what is the published date on that book? it seems that a lot of data in the marine and reef hobby is severely outdated. I would defer to snorvich's response about 15 years. It may not apply to all fishes, but with proper husbandry, regular maintenance and feeding, fish should live longer in captivity if you assume that predation is minimized, food is guaranteed and the living conditions with care remain constant.

kenqc · 06/05/2009, 11:26 AM

By the way, did we ever figure out who purchased the pair? If so, have they posted pics yet?

64Ivy · 06/05/2009, 11:32 AM

Mine has been going for 4+ years at this this point...

...and wants to know if Scott Michaels has a problem with that.

zooty · 06/05/2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by 64Ivy
Mine has been going for 4+ years at this this point...

...and wants to know if Scott Michaels has a problem with that.

That is an awesome picture

jmaccvols · 06/05/2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by kenqc
what is the published date on that book?

it seems that a lot of data in the marine and reef hobby is severely outdated. I would defer to snorvich's response about 15 years. It may not apply to all fishes, but with proper husbandry, regular maintenance and feeding, fish should live longer in captivity if you assume that predation is minimized, food is guaranteed and the living conditions with care remain constant.

I believe the book was published about April 2004. I don't have the book with me right now.

I have always heard that smaller fish have shorter life-spans. The reason given was that smaller fish have much faster metabolisms than much larger fish, and faster metabolisms means a faster heart rate. A fish's heart will only beat "x" number of times so the faster it beats the faster it will reach "x". So larger fish with slower metabolisms, slower heart rates will live longer, as some angels and tangs can live up to 20 or more years. Smaller fish will live just a few years with the faster metabolism. Again this is what I have heard, I do not know how true or scientific it is though.

AuroraDrvr · 06/05/2009, 02:12 PM

Their lifespan is probably closer to 10 years.

snorvich · 06/05/2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by 64Ivy
Mine has been going for 4+ years at this this point...

...and wants to know if Scott Michaels has a problem with that.

WOW, what a great picture!! Depends on how fish are kept, their life span may be 3 months to 15 years.

snorvich · 06/05/2009, 04:19 PM

Of course, if you lower your tank temperature, fish metabolism also lowers. But the maximum number of heart beats theory does not sound very scientific. Does that hold true for humans? If so, my 42 beats per minute works out well.

AndyH5512 · 06/06/2009, 03:08 PM

I know who has the pair, LOL. I have a Candy Basslet myself and they are great fish. As snorvich said, they are cryptic at first. It doesnt take too long for them to settle in. Mine is always out and about. I debated between it and a Gem Tang. The CB has better colors, and is less than half the price. When I hit the lotto, I will go for the GT.

snorvich · 06/06/2009, 03:54 PM

Ok, who has the pair? Inquiring minds . . .

Sardaukar · 06/06/2009, 05:02 PM

The heart beat thing is indeed not especially scientific, especially when you factor that (at least in humans) there are a myriad of external factors that influence it. As far as animals go, there does indeed seem to be a correlation between size and lifespan. The heart rate of animals does decrease as they get larger and so in that sense, its possible that your idea has some kind of merit (in that the faster heart rate may induce an earlier death). Don't forget though that smaller animals tend to be farther down the food chain and perhaps because of that, their bodies are simply not built to last as long. Lets face it, the lifespan of a candy bass in the ocean is probably not going to be nearly as long as something like a larger tang or angel.

The candy bass probably would not live as long as a tang in an aquarium under ideal circumstances, but 10 years does sound like a decent ballpark (if you assume that tangs/angels can like 15 or more).

Jacob D · 06/06/2009, 05:23 PM

We've got a clown goby who is probably close to 6 years old, 5 1/2 that we have owned him. All of the fish I've ever owned that didn't die right away have lived to be at least 4 years old, and probably longer after they went to other owners. The only fish I can think of with life spans of 2 years or less are cephalopods.

myerst2 · 06/06/2009, 05:48 PM

Ivy still has the best picture of a basslet on the planet!!! Some other juicy basslet pics for you. Can you all ID these fish. Some are easy and some are toughies. I wish I could have all of them. T By the way a couple of the fish below will cost you quite a bit more than a carmabi and far more "rarer". Ya I said it rarer.

Almost a Lio.

snorvich · 06/06/2009, 06:10 PM

You COULD have put the names on these pictures.

myerst2 · 06/06/2009, 06:34 PM

I could of but what fun is that!!

06/04/2009, 10:43 AM	#1
flamehawkfish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 573	'Candy Basslet'- cool but PRICEY. Check it. hi All I've always considered getting a little 'Candy Basslet' for my reef tank, but never found one with bright enough colors. I finally bumped into this one, but c'mon, $899? Are you serious? That's too much for a pinner little fish- regardless of how rare it might be... My two cents. Flamehawk

06/04/2009, 10:52 AM	#2
michael_cb_125 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,358	That is a great price for that fish. Especially considering where it is coming from. Live Aquaria has with out a doubt the best customer service out there, and you would be getting a fish in prime condition. The director of LA (Kevin Kohen) will not send out a fish that is not as close to perfect as possible. Plus you are probably getting this Atlantic fish confused with the much more common "pacific candy basslet". __________________ "People are too durable, that's their main trouble. They can do too much to themselves, they last too long" The more I learn, the less I know. Current Tank Info: Elos Mini and 120

06/04/2009, 11:45 AM	#6
michael_cb_125 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,358	I missed the pair that they had posted last night. It sold in a few minutes and I was not at home to get them. Otherwise they would be in Megan's tank Tomorrow. This is one of my favorites. ~Michael __________________ "People are too durable, that's their main trouble. They can do too much to themselves, they last too long" The more I learn, the less I know. Current Tank Info: Elos Mini and 120

06/04/2009, 04:39 PM	#9
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Marine fish often live 15 years in our aquaria with proper care. Mine is gorgeous and eats very, very well. Originally somewhat cryptic, but now, no longer shy. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

06/05/2009, 11:24 AM	#11
kenqc Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: webster, NY Posts: 161	what is the published date on that book? it seems that a lot of data in the marine and reef hobby is severely outdated. I would defer to snorvich's response about 15 years. It may not apply to all fishes, but with proper husbandry, regular maintenance and feeding, fish should live longer in captivity if you assume that predation is minimized, food is guaranteed and the living conditions with care remain constant. __________________ Ken aka King Hyperbole Current Tank Info: 60 gal beginning reef and 50 gal fowlrs

06/04/2009, 10:56 AM	#3
michael_cb_125 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,358	Liopropoma swalesi- A pacific basslet Liopropoma rubre- An Atlantic Basslet Liopropoma carmabi- An Atlantic Basslet ~Michael

06/04/2009, 11:00 AM	#4
michael_cb_125 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,358	Liopropoma collettei- A Pacific basslet Here is a great link on some of the Liopropomas http://www.liveaquaria.com/PIC/article.cfm?aid=272 ~Michael

06/04/2009, 09:22 PM	#10
jmaccvols Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 68	Just looking at Scott Michael's "Basslets, Dottybacks & Hawkfishes" book at page 97 on the Liopropoma Carmabi and it says this fish has been reported to live at least two years in captivity. That comes to about $450 per year.

06/05/2009, 11:26 AM	#12
kenqc Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: webster, NY Posts: 161	By the way, did we ever figure out who purchased the pair? If so, have they posted pics yet? __________________ Ken aka King Hyperbole Current Tank Info: 60 gal beginning reef and 50 gal fowlrs

06/05/2009, 11:32 AM	#13
64Ivy B'rer Reefer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 3,194	Mine has been going for 4+ years at this this point... ...and wants to know if Scott Michaels has a problem with that. __________________ Be Kind To The Elderly. Life Without Parole Means Nothing To Us. ToTM 3-03 Current Tank Info: Between tanks. Searching for a home

06/05/2009, 02:12 PM	#16
AuroraDrvr Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Eastern Shore, AL Posts: 1,655	Their lifespan is probably closer to 10 years. __________________ -Todd

06/05/2009, 04:19 PM	#18
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Of course, if you lower your tank temperature, fish metabolism also lowers. But the maximum number of heart beats theory does not sound very scientific. Does that hold true for humans? If so, my 42 beats per minute works out well. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

06/06/2009, 03:08 PM	#19
AndyH5512 Moved On Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lake County, Florida Posts: 703	I know who has the pair, LOL. I have a Candy Basslet myself and they are great fish. As snorvich said, they are cryptic at first. It doesnt take too long for them to settle in. Mine is always out and about. I debated between it and a Gem Tang. The CB has better colors, and is less than half the price. When I hit the lotto, I will go for the GT.

06/06/2009, 03:54 PM	#20
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Ok, who has the pair? Inquiring minds . . . __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

06/06/2009, 05:02 PM	#21
Sardaukar Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 1,439	The heart beat thing is indeed not especially scientific, especially when you factor that (at least in humans) there are a myriad of external factors that influence it. As far as animals go, there does indeed seem to be a correlation between size and lifespan. The heart rate of animals does decrease as they get larger and so in that sense, its possible that your idea has some kind of merit (in that the faster heart rate may induce an earlier death). Don't forget though that smaller animals tend to be farther down the food chain and perhaps because of that, their bodies are simply not built to last as long. Lets face it, the lifespan of a candy bass in the ocean is probably not going to be nearly as long as something like a larger tang or angel. The candy bass probably would not live as long as a tang in an aquarium under ideal circumstances, but 10 years does sound like a decent ballpark (if you assume that tangs/angels can like 15 or more). __________________ Currently tank-less :(

06/06/2009, 05:23 PM	#22
Jacob D Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Bay Posts: 6,613	We've got a clown goby who is probably close to 6 years old, 5 1/2 that we have owned him. All of the fish I've ever owned that didn't die right away have lived to be at least 4 years old, and probably longer after they went to other owners. The only fish I can think of with life spans of 2 years or less are cephalopods. __________________ Jacob. Current Tank Info: Retired from reefing...

06/06/2009, 05:48 PM	#23
myerst2 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: East Hampton, Long Island Posts: 2,341	Ivy still has the best picture of a basslet on the planet!!! Some other juicy basslet pics for you. Can you all ID these fish. Some are easy and some are toughies. I wish I could have all of them. T By the way a couple of the fish below will cost you quite a bit more than a carmabi and far more "rarer". Ya I said it rarer. Almost a Lio. __________________ "Those who teach must constantly hold up the challenge to study nature, not books." -Albrecht.

06/06/2009, 06:10 PM	#24
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	You COULD have put the names on these pictures. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

06/06/2009, 06:34 PM	#25
myerst2 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: East Hampton, Long Island Posts: 2,341	I could of but what fun is that!! __________________ "Those who teach must constantly hold up the challenge to study nature, not books." -Albrecht.